Where is the Justice???

Published on May 30, 2005 By Phoenixboi In Blogging

Abu Bakar Bashir a convicted terrorist gets 30 months Jail for masterminding the BAli bombings which killed 202 people including 88 Aussies.

Schapelle Corby gets 20 Years Jail for allegedly smuggling 4 kgs of Marijuana into Bali.

WHERE IS THE JUSTICE??

Comments (Page 2)

Phoenixboi

on May 30, 2005

Either way, you either think he IS entitled to a fair trial or that he ISN'T. Once you start introducing exceptions to this right, as I said before, you can kiss goodbye to any hope of the 'justice' you claim to be so concerned about.

of course he will be tried and he will be found guilty cause he has already admitted that he did it.

Do you think Schapelles trial was fair and just?

Tampering with evidence which has now gone "missing" doesnt seem fair to me.

Furry Canary

on May 31, 2005

'of course he will be tried and he will be found guilty cause he has already admitted that he did it'
Yes, in all probability - although an admission doesn't necessarily equate to a conviction. But the point is that even he is entitled to a TRIAL.

'Do you think Schapelles trial was fair and just?'
On the basis of the media beat-up to date, I really couldn't say. (And I am not a lawyer, let alone a lawyer versed in Indonesian law.) Just as I couldn't say whether she is innocent or guilty. What I do know is that she has the right to appeal under the Indonesian legal process.

Furthermore PB, no matter how often you cite investigations into alleged drug trafficking by Australian bag handlers, there is not a single scrap of evidence that they ever put anything in Schappelle Corby's luggage. (And why would they? It would hardly be a clever financial move to send a total stranger out of the country with 9lb of YOUR drugs!

)

So where does that leave us? Schappelle Corby's case still essentially boils down to 'It's not mine, and I don't know how it got there.' On the basis of this, how you and your lynch mob pals can be so unshakeably confident of her innocence escapes me. Unless you really do take everything Channel 9 throws at you uncritically, and then go running back for more. Like I said back on your other thread, your naivete is astounding.

Phoenixboi

on May 31, 2005

(And why would they? It would hardly be a clever financial move to send a total stranger out of the country with 9lb of YOUR drugs! )

You obviously have no idea of howthese people work.

Unless you really do take everything Channel 9 throws at you uncritically,

I dont watch channel 9.

Have you read her trial? How much of it have you followed? Or are you only going on what the media have told you?

The evidence was tampered with. There was no scientific analysis on the drugs done and no fingerprints were carried out. Wouldnt that be the sensible thing to do to find out where the drugs came from and if her fingerprints were on the bag??

your naivete is astounding.

I think you really need to stop attacking me personally and start looking at the facts here Furry!

Furry Canary

on May 31, 2005

'I think you really need to stop attacking me personally ...'
No personal insult intended. But if you really want to rail against miscarriages of justice, I see many infinitely more convincing causes around at the moment, and much closer to home.

'... and start looking at the facts here Furry!'
As for facts, there are very few hard and fast ones in evidence here. This is why I choose to keep an open mind, rather than leading the hordes of terrified villagers, all carrying their burning torches, up the rocky path to burn down castle Balistein. Why don't we all just calm down and see what happens in her upcoming appeal?

Phoenixboi

on May 31, 2005

Why don't we all just calm down and see what happens in her upcoming appeal?

This will be interesting to watch.

Champas Socialist

on Jun 01, 2005

PB, the justice is in the fact that 3 of the people who did the Bali bombing are about to be killed. Yes receive the death penalty. If you go to Indonesia and you smuggle drugs, you deserve to be removed from the gene pool for your utter stupidity. Because everyone knows they have the death penalty for drugs. If she has been wrongly convicted, and I can't say whether she has or not (but some inside sources I have in the Australian Police suggest to me she hasn't been) because I have seen nothing of the trial bar Schapelle standing there crying her little (crocodile?) tears, then that is unfortunate, but no more unfortunate than say Rene Rivkin's conviction or countless others who are wrongly convicted all over the world. Schappelle's situation is certainly better than being held for 3 years without any charge being laid at all, which is what happens to Australians who get arrested by the Americans. But nobody seems to care about that.

Presumption of innocence is a concept that is being lost in the USA and Australia through trial by media and terrorism-phobia. The Indonesians on the other hand at least uphold it regarding some people

dynamaso

on Jun 01, 2005

it has to do with the anger that most australians are feeling about this injustice

I don't mean to weigh in late in this debate, but having read this particular comment of yours, I have to say something. I am not angry at the process Schapelle's had to endure. I am sad she had to go through it but I've not been angry.

However, what has angered me is the knee-jerk reactions to her sentence. I don't mean what I am saying as a personal insult or attack. I think Corby's family and friends have ever right to feel disappointed and perhaps bitter or angry, but the self-righteous indignation, brow beating and anger from the general Australian public won't help her one bit. It is rare I actually agree with anything John Howard says, but last night on Lateline, he said this sort of reaction will only be detrimental. What happened yesterday at the Indonesian Embassy personally disgusts me.

I'm sure if the situation were reversed, the Australian public would be fully supportive of our judicial process. I can't comment on the Indonesian judicial system because I have no idea how it works. But I have the same respect for their processes as I do for ours and trust that, in time, justice will prevail.

I have one other thing to say about this. There has been a lot of talk about 'the facts', as derived from various media sources. As Champas rightly points out above, in a lot of respects this particular trial has been conducted through the media. But no matter which media source is referred to, all sources are subjective. I try to keep this in mind all the time, particularly when the story in question is so emotionally charged.

Phoenixboi

on Jun 01, 2005

If you go to Indonesia and you smuggle drugs, you deserve to be removed from the gene pool for your utter stupidity

This is what doesnt make sense to me. Why would she smuggle drugs into the country?

(but some inside sources I have in the Australian Police suggest to me she hasn't been)

Which only shows me that the AFP are no angels themselves and this could very well be a nice coverup for them. Just look at the news showing the wonderful security screening that Sydney airport has had recently. Makes you think doesnt it?

Guys the underworld of drugs and corruption is one that would make your hair stand on end. They do what is needed to get their way. There is more to this than meets the eye.

Im working on senses other than my eyes and ears and emotions here. Something inside me tells me this doesnt add up. If that makes me look cooky, well so be it.

dynamaso

on Jun 01, 2005

I don't think you are the least bit 'kooky', as you put it. I think you are a caring, compassionate person who really feels for the situation Schapelle has found herself in. But the media has played on your and the general public's emotions so much throughout this trial, I wouldn't be surprised if some still believed her innocent even if the evidence proved otherwise.

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on Jun 01, 2005

So, are you saying Osama Bin Laden ISN"T entitled to a fair trial?

I say forget trial,forget capturing him, shoot to kill. Period. (and i'm pretty much a pacifist, but not when it concerns him..

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bakerstreet

on Jun 01, 2005

I understand your outrage, PB, but watch how it plays. There is injustice here, but how it is covered will show how the 'powers-that-be' want to skew opinion to indonesia. Feel it out, form what opinion you find, but don't be a party to folks who have been hankering to shove Australian opinion this way or that.

Counter to my advice, I would probably tend to agree with those who want to breed hate against Indonesia. There's a LOT more there than one woman and a few kilos of pot, though. While I would like to see her released, I would hate to think that it would 'settle' people down regarding Indonesia.

I think it is a shame that such a, (sorry to be harsh), commonplace thing would rouse the ire of Australians when examples of injustice, wrongdoing, and impending doom have been stewing for a decade.

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on Jun 01, 2005

Guys the underworld of drugs and corruption is one that would make your hair stand on end. They do what is needed to get their way. There is more to this than meets the eye

--Yep, and one of the biggest cartels here in oregon, (pretty much runs up and down the west coast) is M-13, a mexican ran cartel (i think, might be columbian...)

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on Jun 01, 2005

While I would like to see her released, I would hate to think that it would 'settle' people down regarding Indonesia.

--But she was caught with drugs right, if so, shouldn't she spend some time in jail, or at least be reprimanded in some way...(not sure if reprimanded is the word i'm looking for...)

bakerstreet

on Jun 01, 2005

"But she was caught with drugs right, if so, shouldn't she spend some time in jail, or at least be reprimanded in some way..."

Frankly, I don't believe you can trust in any justice handed out there. After watching their politics for several years and expecting doom to leech out of their horrible country at any minute, I really don't consider them to have any authority at all. If Australia wanted to remove her militarily I wouldn't give a damn.

Write this down and call me a prophet later. I'd bet cash that within the next 10 years something very ugly will come from Indonesia. I have had a creepy feeling about it since Suharto. It is the world's most populous Islamic nation, and a place where basically no one is in charge.

dynamaso

on Jun 01, 2005

Frankly, I don't believe you can trust in any justice handed out there

I can understand why some people might feel this way but I don't support the view. I would rather trust the Indonesian legal system and see the conviction overturned through due process than any other option, particularly the idea to

remove her militarily

This would be disasterous for both nations and the very suggestion scares the crap out of me.

a place where basically no one is in charge.

Baker, this is patently wrong. Sure, there have been human rights issues and questions over corruption within the Indonesian government, but there are plenty of other nations also accused of such activities. What your statement implies is that Indonesia is an anarchistic state and that is simply not true.

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