Why do you judge me?

Published on March 14, 2005 By Phoenixboi In Blogging

I am Gay. I have HIV. So what?

Does this give you the right to judge me?

Does it mean im doomed to eternal damnation?

Take a look at your own life. Take a look at what makes you so judgemental.

Before my sexuality and my illness I am human. I have a heart and a soul just like you.

Take a look in the mirror... does what I am make you feel so uncomfortable that you need to condemn me?

Comments (Page 3)

Phoenixboi

on Mar 15, 2005

I have read what you have written and I think you are a very intelligent, well-spoken person. I hope you continue writing here. Take care.

Thanks Nebraska.. it would begreat if alot of the Christians like yourself would stand up and speak out more.. then there might be more people turning to Christianity rather than turning away from it

Phoenixboi

on Mar 15, 2005

There is no judgment here...only admiration.

Thanks Texas! Likewise with you

hugs

Phoenixboi

on Mar 15, 2005

Getting so angry because someone "judged" you....who cares.....ppl get judged wrongly all the time....church members....family members....everyone judges everyone else....

Im not angry here... I am only pointoing out that the ones who claim to be righteous and god fearing are the ones doing exactly what they say everyone else shouldnt be doing.. I havent said I am angry, in fact Im not even upset.. Im just questioning peoples judgements and how the ones who literally cast the first stone are the ones who usually are doing the condemning and judging.

Phoenixboi

on Mar 15, 2005

and it has references to some, well, prettty weird things, including references to short people and vision impaired people

Champas mate..see you know what I am saying .. the rest dont because they hold onto the homosexual part.. and then forget to read the rest. Maybe they should re read and continue reading and see how ridiculous and barbaric most of it really sounds!

Phoenixboi

on Mar 15, 2005

On the other, hand, the people who tell you how wonderful you are are responded to with sweet thanks and kindness.

Of course I am going to be nice to people who are nice to me and offer their support and love. Like most Christians should be doing rather than accusing me of doing things that are going to flame me to hell.

You seem to be a good person with a good heart, overall. You don't want me to judge you and, according to the teachings I believe in, I won't. But, as I alluded to in an above post, I am free to disagree with what you do according to Scripture. Once again, Pb...good luck to you. Keep writing.

Thankyou rightwinger. You seem to be good hearted as well, and I appreciate your input in this discussion

MythicalMino

on Mar 15, 2005

Rightwinger...i think you might have misunderstood me....I know that Moses wrote the first 5 books of the bible....I know what Leviticus says (and the purpose of that book)....I was not discrediting Paul, either....I said that ppl that think homosexuality is ok, they discredit Paul.

As far as "Did Jesus say anything about homosexuality" question.....well....well....he said that he did not come to eliminate the law, but rather to fulfill it. We all talk about the woman caught in adultery....and Jesus' famous words, "Let him that is without sin cast the first stone'.....but, you know what....many times, we stop there. We say that Jesus doesn't judge us....we say that Jesus is ok with sin.....We even sometimes ask, "What is sin?" Read on in that passage....what do you read?

We read Jesus telling the woman to "go, and sin no more". He did not tell her to "go, continue to do what you are doing....it is A-OK with me". No...he told her to simply, "Go, and sin no more".

You want to talk about what Jesus said about sin? Read Jesus' words in John 3:14-21.....in case you don't want to look it up, let me qoute it here for you (qouted from the Amplified version):

Joh 3:14-21 And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert [on a pole], so must [so it is necessary that] the Son of Man be lifted up [on the cross], [Num. 21:9.] (15) In order that everyone who believes in Him [who cleaves to Him, trusts Him, and relies on Him] may not perish, but have eternal life and [actually] live forever! (16) For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life. (17) For God did not send the Son into the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, but that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him. (18) He who believes in Him [who clings to, trusts in, relies on Him] is not judged [he who trusts in Him never comes up for judgment; for him there is no rejection, no condemnation--he incurs no damnation]; but he who does not believe (cleave to, rely on, trust in Him) is judged already [he has already been convicted and has already received his sentence] because he has not believed in and trusted in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [He is condemned for refusing to let his trust rest in Christ's name.] (19) The [basis of the] judgment (indictment, the test by which men are judged, the ground for the sentence) lies in this: the Light has come into the world, and people have loved the darkness rather than and more than the Light, for their works (deeds) were evil. [Isa. 5:20.] (20) For every wrongdoer hates (loathes, detests) the Light, and will not come out into the Light but shrinks from it, lest his works (his deeds, his activities, his conduct) be exposed and reproved. (21) But he who practices truth [who does what is right] comes out into the Light; so that his works may be plainly shown to be what they are--wrought with God [divinely prompted, done with God's help, in dependence upon Him].

What do we have here? Jesus HAD to be lifted up (just as Moses lifted up the serpent). Jesus took all of the condemnation and destruction of sin upon and within himself when he was placed upon the cross. He literally became sin for us...so that we might become the righteousness of God IN Him (2 Corinthians 5:21).

He (Jesus) did this so that any and all who believe in Jesus (has faith in....total reliance upon....to entrust yourself to him). You are to believe that he is truth, and that the truth shall set you free. If you believe in Him, then you will accept His word as-is.....no exceptions, no excuses.

If you do believe on Him (remember, to fully entrust yourself in His care), then you will NOT be condemned. Remember verse 18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already...." And, what is this condemnation? Read on: "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world,and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." That is the condemnation....

There is only but one sin that will send anyone to hell....and that is to die without believing on Jesus. Sin is sin is sin....It is not right....sin does destroy....sin is pleasurable for a season....but if a man (or, woman) continues in his sin, he will be destroyed....Not by God's hand. But rather, by his own hand in not receiving the gift of God. Jesus said that he did not come into the world to condemn the world, but rather, that the world THROUGH him might be saved.

You keep talking about the Old Testament....I have read the OT....I know what it says....but, I also know what the NT says about sin....and about homosexuality. The NT says it is wrong....Remember what Paul said about sin? A little leaven leavens the whole lump? Well....a little sin makes the man all sin. You want to argue whether or not God still views homosexuality as sin....well, the bible says that God changes not, nor is there shadow of turning within him. The bible also says that God is not man, that he should lie. You compare the OT with the NT....all the commandments were summed up in just the one commandment that Jesus gave, Love and worship God, and love your neighbor. God forgives sin, but he does not condone sin. Sin is why Jesus suffered and died. Sin is what separates man from God. Sin is what destroys life.

You want to talk about what the NT says about homosexuality...until I show you what it says about it. then, you want to talk about what Jesus said about homosexuality...until i show you what Jesus said about it.....ppl can come up with excuses all their lives...but eventually, time will run out, and they will stand before God and give account to all their excuses....that is when there will be judgement....

I don't condemn what you do....I believe it is wrong....but for me to place judgement on you would be heaping harsher judgement on me. The human mind cannot place judgement and love at the same time. For me to judge anyone, I would no longer be loving them....and I would be guilty of breaking Jesus' commandment.

Now, I am not going to qoute scripture about homosexuality....you and whomever else thinks it is ok will not accept it. If you (or anyone else) really wants to see what GOD says about it, let them look it up. It isn't too hard to find (in fact, I will give you one place it is in...the book of Romans). I have been down this road before, and all that came out of it was a whole lot of screeching that Paul was a heretic and hated by the church, and that we cannot really believe what the bible says, and that Jesus never spoke DIRECTLY about homosexuality.....study it for yourself if you are truly concerned over what the Bible does and does not say about it

messybuu

on Mar 15, 2005

I just dont believe in the interpretations that humans have placed and their misquoting and selective quoting.

And yet, only you and those who accept your lifestyle are not guilty of misquoting and selective quoting?

Is there anywhere in the bible where Jesus himself said anything about homosexuality? really.. werent the people who believed in the old testiment the ones to persecute Jesus to death for his heretical beliefs? Doesnt it tell people that those beliefs in the old testament were outdated therefore Jesus was bringing new blood into the world, new revelations? Otherwise if we were to follow the old testament to the letter we mostly would be stoning people left right and centre.

Well, it is in the New Testament, as I said, and if you don't believe that the Bible is inspired scripture, then I understand why you'd choose to ignore any reference to homosexuality in it.

Honestly, I think you just don't want to consider what you do a sin. Sometimes I pretend that what I do isn't sinful, because I don't want to stop.

Or else, you want to play the victim. Nobody's "persecuting" you here. We're just telling you that what you're doing is sinful, and I'm sure these people would just as soon tell me that what I do is sinful when I advertise it, yet I wouldn't consider them to be persecuting me.

Phoenixboi

on Mar 15, 2005

We're just telling you that what you're doing is sinful

What exactly am I "doing" that is sinful?

Furry Canary

on Mar 17, 2005

'That'd be like me trying to justify my love for my iBook to some Monks of some Eastern religion who say that if I do not shed my earthly possessions, I will be reincarnated into a pig.'

Er, rather than pinning this kind of idea on 'some Monks of some Eastern religion', Messybuu, you might just want to go back to your Bible (Matthew 19):

21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

That seems to hit the nail squarely on the head (as long as you can cope without being reincarnated as a pig). Funny how today's Christians set so much more store by some passages in the Bible than others, isn't it? Once again, Man creates God in his own image ...

Phoenixboi

on Mar 17, 2005

Once again, Man creates God in his own image ...

Hazylunarrain

on Mar 17, 2005

The amazing thing is, people trust sooo much in a book that was mis-translated over, and over. The truth is, IMHO, that the bible was meant to have meanings for each individual. As in, some people don't see everything the same way. I don't think God want everyone to be mindless cattle following the texts to the exact letter. I think what God wants is for people to live their OWN life, and the bible is meant as a guideline. Something to reference and examine to apply to reactions to others. It is NOT meant as a testament for condemnation. The true Christian spirit is to love EVERYONE as yourself, and treat them as such. Not to damn people to hell cause they like something you don't (sexually or otherwise).

Jesus never said "Do what I say to the extreme with no variation". Do you think he woulda approved of all the "Christians" who go around kickin the crap outta people who go to a gay club? Or hang them from a post in a Nebraska field? NO! He didn't. I think what Jesus wants is for everyone to get along peacefully. Whatever their beliefs or standards. Some people need to be told about their practices, and some people are just plain disgusting, but most of the homosexuals I know are really great people. They are polite, easy to get along with and very fun to be around. I wouldn't turn them away to save my life.

Phoenixboi

on Mar 17, 2005

Hazylunarrain thanks for stopping by. I think you have made very valid points. Actually you seem to think along the same lines as I do. Thanks again for you input I give you an insightful for that one!

messybuu

on Mar 17, 2005

The amazing thing is, people trust sooo much in a book that was mis-translated over, and over.

What's the correct translation then? And if it's been so mistranslated that it's unreliable, then why even bother taking anything to heart from it? Maybe it's me, but if a history book had a plethora of errors, I wouldn't be relying on it for anything.

That seems to hit the nail squarely on the head (as long as you can cope without being reincarnated as a pig). Funny how today's Christians set so much more store by some passages in the Bible than others, isn't it? Once again, Man creates God in his own image ...

I could (and actually do) admit that my selfish wealth is sin, but then again, I'll use your guys' logic. That was clearly a mistranslation, included by the church to convince people to give the church all their money. It's great when you can pick and choose what you want to follow.

The truth is, IMHO, that the bible was meant to have meanings for each individual.

IMHO being the keywords.

Jesus never said "Do what I say to the extreme with no variation". Do you think he woulda approved of all the "Christians" who go around kickin the crap outta people who go to a gay club? Or hang them from a post in a Nebraska field? NO! He didn't. I think what Jesus wants is for everyone to get along peacefully. Whatever their beliefs or standards. Some people need to be told about their practices, and some people are just plain disgusting, but most of the homosexuals I know are really great people. They are polite, easy to get along with and very fun to be around. I wouldn't turn them away to save my life.

I don't think one person here disagrees with you.

messybuu

on Mar 17, 2005

Once again, Man creates God in his own image ...

What I wonder is if you and Phoenixboi think that your idea of God is some divine objective idea, and not just based on what you want God to be (btw, I'd rather God not be who I think He is, because there are many things I do and want to continue to do that He considers sin, and some people I love might not be in Heaven with me (if I do make it there)).

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