Guns are for killing

Published on May 19, 2005 By Phoenixboi In Blogging

In one of my recent articles about prized possessions there are a few comments about people owning guns and how it is their prized posession.

In Australia, we have strict gun ownership laws. The average person doesnt own a gun here.

I mean why else would you own a gun unless you were going to kill something or someone?

Sure I can see people saying that it their right to own a gun, be it for collectors items or for personal protection, but surely the only reason you would own a gun is so that you could shoot it and kill.

Im glad we have the gun laws we have here. Im glad our government has taken a stand. There are too many crazy people out there and i wouldnt want them having a gun. it would be too easy to use and our crime rate would be much higher.

Sure there are sensible people out there who own guns. But it doesnt make sense to me that most keep their guns locked away hidden, with the amunition stored in a seperate place if they want to use it for self protection then it would take a bit of time to crank it all up to use. Does it make them feel more secure owning a gun? I would be more worried that there was one in the house let alone someone coming to shoot me.

But you know Im glad that in our society here in Australia this is a very rare occurence. The average joe doesnt have a gun and therefore is less likely to go out and use one.

Heck I havent even seen a gun up close let alone fired one.

I feel safe. I have no thoughts to use or own one.

Comments (Page 4)

bakerstreet

on May 20, 2005

I guess PB just thinks we are all hanging around waiting for the opportunity to kill. What other reason would we have had to buy a gun, right?

At this point PB has to be purposely ignoring the truth. He's been offered many uses for guns that don't involve killing people, and all he does is just declare them invalid by royal decree and asks for more. This is like argueing with Col Gene. This isn't about discussion, it is about propaganda and declaration. Why bother accepting comments at all?

What's the point in reasoning with someone who isn't using any reason?

Phoenixboi

on May 21, 2005

Why do you own a gun?

What is the reason? Is it for sport or is it for protection? and would you use it to kill someone if it came to it?

bakerstreet

on May 21, 2005

"What is the reason? Is it for sport or is it for protection? and would you use it to kill someone if it came to it?"

I have weapons that I use for sport, which could also be used for protection. A couple are family pieces of sufficient age to be antique.

I would add that many people own baseball bats for sport and would use them to kill someone if it came to it. I'm not sure what kind of point you are making, but I don't mind answering.

Phoenixboi

on May 21, 2005

Baker..

from what you have been saying and from what I have been saying we live in totally different worlds. To me guns are for killing, to you they are used for a variety of things, heck maybe you even use it to bake a cake,

sorry but there is no other practical reason that I can see for using a gun other than to shoot at something and in the majority of cases if your going to shoot something your doing it to kill.

I hear ya about the sport and about the hunting (which is killing)

In Australia we do not have the same values on gun ownership as you guys do in the USA. This is obvious from the discussions here. We dont carry guns in our society. I have never seen anyone carry a gun other than the police.

The purpose of a gun is to shoot a metal slug at a target. In the majority of cases the target is shot at in order to maime or kill or wound. You talk about Baseball bats and knives . The main purpose of a baseball bat is to play baseball. The main purpose of a knife is to cut things. The main purpose of a gun is to shoot. What happens when you shoot?

bakerstreet

on May 21, 2005

I'm sorry, there's no need to go on. From my perspective you are completely irrational. You ask for explainations, get them, then act as if you didn't get them and ask the same questions again.

Your point that guns are primarily used for killing is a fallacy. Only the smallest fraction of a percent of guns will be used to kill anyone. This is fact, not opinion.

Your concept that there are no other uses for guns is a fallacy. Numerous mainstream examples have been offered to you and you just wave them off as "unbeneficial". This is fact, not opinion.

Your concept of an Australian gun-free utopia is a fallacy. I have posted the numbers of guns owned in Australia and statistics about gun ownership and links to organizations in AUstralia that run 180 degrees counter to your perspectice. This is fact, not opinion.

Here I sit, with facts, with a lifetime of gun ownership and experience. There you sit, with no experience with gun use or ownership, making statements that are patently false, and ignoring people who prove you wrong. I have to assume at this point that this is just a subject that provokes irrational fears in you and it isn't possible to have any sort of meeting of minds.

bakerstreet

on May 21, 2005

I don't know which is more disturbing to me. That soneone can have such an irrational fear of inanimate objects, or that someone can have such a skewed idea of their "society" that they are unable to entertain its inaccuracy even when confronted with proof to the contrary. I don't think I have ever seen anyone with their eyes this glazed over...

Phoenixboi

on May 21, 2005

50+ responses and PB still hasnt budged. I think it's safe to assume at this point that he isnt going to. Ever.

I love ya LW!

Dr Guy

on May 21, 2005

Reply By: Phoenixboi

Baker likes brick walls and heads!. You are not going to budge, but you are not going to convince anyone as that is not your purpose here. You stated an ironclad belief that is not debatable.

Which is fine. I guess some just took it as a point of debate. Sometimes it is not. it is a statement of faith.

And that is fine.

Phoenixboi

on May 21, 2005

You stated an ironclad belief that is not debatable.Which is fine. I guess some just took it as a point of debate. Sometimes it is not. it is a statement of faith.

Debating is good though! Makes the mind work and the braincells going. In the end it is a debate, and nothing more. Doesnt change my thoughts over people on here. Doesnt make me want to write articles and call them stupid, which I am disapointed that people have done, but hey that is life ..well life on JU.

Thanks Dr Guy, your a gem.

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